Saturday, 19 August 2006

Interview with Johan Calltorp


What are the challenges and rewards of working as a foreign doctor in Sweden?
The good things are that the countryside is beautiful and empty, the cities are clean and efficient, outdoor life-styles are easily pursued; people speak good English (though for their job doctors will have to learn Swedish), Sweden has some of the best medical research traditions in the world, hospital equipment is modern and hospitals and clinics make their often Victorian NHS equivalents look intolerably shabby and chaotic. As in Australia or New Zealand, the population is fluent in British culture, yet it is only an hour away from the UK.
But the system is not perfect.
There has historically been a shortage of doctors, with brought in from abroad, but salaries are not as good as for instance the UK – the country increasingly has to attract foreign talent on quality-of-life measures. And foreign doctors will have to be aware of various challenges facing the system. Sweden’s past success came from having a highly educated, homogenous population benefiting from a great sense of solidarity, but since the 1990s, there has been an influx of largely unassimilated and mostly unemployed population of Muslim immigrant origin which is growing fast, and so there are fewer working people able to carry the burden of the ageing indigenous population – the world’s oldest. And there are healthcare management difficulties connected to the structure of its NHS-like universal access system.
Here Sweden’s top health policy academic Johan Calltorp, professor of health policy advising Sweden’s western hospital region, gives the background to the political, social, demographic challenges facing Swedish healthcare…an essential rundown for anyone thinking of working there….

How do you deal with having the world’s oldest population?


Some people think the whole thing will go to hell by 2020, with an ever lower taxbase having to pay for a growing geriatric population. I don’t think so, I am positive, but there are intense discussions going on about this at the moment.
A taxation-based health system depends on a kind of national solidarity – you pay in enormous amounts until the age of 75, then draw a lot. But twenty percent of the population is of immigrant stock, and there is high unemployment. How much they are able to pay for an ageing population – and how much next generation of Swedes is prepared to pay for ageing immigrants – is a highly sensitive issue

Is that why Sweden has the western world’s highest sick-leave rates?


Yes, partly. There is the feeling: if you are unemployed, we will take time off sick.
There is also the problem of incentivisation, when compensation for being off sick as so high as it is in Sweden. Doctors will be called upon to sign a lot of sick-leave notes…..

What other challenges are there?


The Hjertqvist report on European health systems, published last month in Brussels, rated the Swedish system the third best in Europe, but noted that Sweden performed poorly on service and access.
There waiting lists, as you have in common with all the other centrally funded systems. They are getting longer. These waiting lists are a problem of poor management, because a lot of the patients nominally on the list have recovered or died, but they are also used a political weapon by doctors to demand more money.
Partly it is just a problem of situation. The country is so huge, by European standards, with a low population density, yet there is this commitment to provide a universally high quality of healthcare, which becomes very expensive the northern, Arctic areas, which are also suffering from depopulation and an increasingly large number of elderly people. You do need an oversupply of care everywhere. But if you depopulate Lapland and resettle old people in the cities – what then? Turn it into a complete wilderness?

Do the immigrants have problems getting jobs in care?

There is a long tradition of taking in doctors from abroad; but in a broader society, the country is grappling with the problems of multiculturalism. There was a case a few days ago when a hospital banned a Muslim nurse from wearing a hijab for medical hygiene reasons, but the health ombudsman overturned this as a case of discrimination. There is a lot of ongoing debate about these issues….

Sweden doesn’t have any GPs….so what sort of environment can a foreign doctor expect?


In earlier decades Sweden had quite a good house doctor system; now there is a tradition of going straight to specialists or to emergency wards. This has meant long waiting lists for specialists and – especially old people – clogging up the emergency wards unnecessarily.
It is a matter of tradition. In the 1950s and 1960s politicians wanted to build big hospitals – it was their monument, their “Aswan dams” This is particularly true in the big towns; in smaller urban communities you have multiple doctor care centres, which are a bit like GPs’ practices.

Where else can Sweden improve?

The Hjertqvist report on European health systems, published last month in Brussels, notes that Sweden performed most poorly on service and access.
There waiting lists, as you have in common with all the other centrally funded systems. They are getting longer. These waiting lists are a problem of poor management, because a lot of the patients nominally on the list have recovered or died, but they are also used a political weapon by doctors to demand more money.
Partly it is just a problem of situation. The country is so huge, by European standards, with a low population density, yet there is this commitment to provide a universally high quality of healthcare, which becomes very expensive in Lapland, which is also suffering from depopulation and an increasingly large number of elderly people. You do need an oversupply of care everywhere. But if you depopulate Lapland and resettle old people in the cities – what then? Turn it into a complete wilderness

What is the culture of doctors like?


There is an efficiency culture of doctors – they can be a bit remote, not friendly; instead there is a premium on the role of being efficient and competent.
We are not as good as the UK as giving out information – there are no 24 hour helplines, and there is a point systems based on specialty and hospiatsl , but public awareness of this is not as developed.

The pharmacies are all state-run, are hardly ever open, and they seem expensive

Opening hours have been quite restrictive compared to the rest of Europe, but hours are being expanded.
The pharmacies, along with the alcohol shops, are a state monopoly, and are very characteristic for Sweden. Last year the European court of justice said the monopoly might have to be dismantled to allow competition under the single market rules.
The idea of controlled pharmacies was to en able a gatekeeper – the pharmacist – to be on hand to advise on medicine.is less relevant now that you have the internet.


What does Sweden do well?

We have very good patient outcomes.
There is good access to drugs, emergency care is so good, and we have very good public health indicators; our smoking rates are the lowest in Europe. Obesity is growing, but is still low internationally..

What makes the Swedish funding system different?

Our system is more decentralised than the UK one. It is funded through a local tax, by county councils or regions. In fact there is whole local tier of government, with its own elections, devoted entirely to health administration. These local taxes can very greatly, but the health issue as a regional political football becomes obscured by national politics – the tier above – and municipal election s – the tier below, devoted to issues like schools and public transport. . In a few years time these councils will consolidate into larger regions along the European model – we already have two, and I was the boss of one of those, for west Sweden including Gothenburg - although it is unlikely that these regions will have non healthcare political powers. Sweden is quite a centralised country and our governments are traditionally wary of the European regional power model.

What new policies were the result of the election in September last year?

Health is a very unideological issue in Swedish politics, all the parties think the same. We have this “care guarantee” policy promoted by the liberals but which has now being pushed by the ruling social democrats; it will guarantee treatment to anyone within three months, or they can receive treatment in another part of Sweden.

Or abroad?


Not yet! Though I understand EU legislation on this is in the pipeline. There are some initiatives for social and elective care collaboration with Denmark – now linked by bridge to Sweden – and Norway, in the border areas. The EU has argued that healthcare is best dispensed at a regional level, and there are a lot of cross border initiatives in Belgium, Holland and Germany. In Scandinavia most collaboration happens in research and in the pharma industry, not between hsealth systems.

Isn’t Sweden a bit too efficient at times?

The Danes are very different. They smoke more, drink more, eat less healthily and take less exercise. It is true Sweden can seem a bit over regulated. Danes die much younger; but they have more fun.

Tuesday, 18 July 2006

"I think too much freedom will completely upset health systems"



It is often not appreciated enough that the EU hass
wide and growing powers to affect British people’s
health. Linda McAvan MEP, 44, represents the Labour party in Europe's
party’s views on health issues - and pretty important health is in the EU too.
The rights of patients to go anywhere in Europe for treatment - putting pressure on dire domestic services. The right of health service providers - national health systems to you and me - to compete directly with their fellow systems across borders.
All is mooted and up in the air.....

Why did you become an MEP?

A colleague of mine said “If you want to be someone, go to Westminster, if you want to do something, go to Brussels.” We seldom become household names but 60 percent of national legislation is passed down from Brussels.

How did you become an MEP?

I got on my bike in 1980 aged 17 because I couldn’t get a job in England, and became a lobbyist for a youth organization in Brussels. Studying modern languages, later at university, I am fluent in French and Spanish - although today the EU institutions are increasingly English-speaking.
After working in local government back in the UK for a few years as a European specalist I was elected to the European parliament in 1998.

What do you do all day?

It is a Monday to Thursday job, the rest of the week we spend back in our home countries doing constituency work. We spend three weeks a month in Brussels, often in committee – all MEPs are members of one and they are powerful legislative bodies. Mine is health and consumer affairs. The fourth week is spent in Strasbourg where legislation is voted through in "plenary" sessions. The European parliament, confusingly, has two seats, Brussels and Strabsourg, each of which are huge, modern building complexes.
Our job is to monitor and amend – often considerably – legislative proposals that come out of the European commission. We also hold the commission to account – they can be sacked by a vote of no confidence. We control the European union’s budget.

Are British MPs jealous of what you do?


I don’t think they are aware. Their ideas about
what MEPs can do is twenty years out of date. The
growth in our powers is quite recent. We were
directly elected only in 1979, and until the mid
eighties our powers vis-a-vis the European commission
were purely consultative. In other words they could
ignore what we said; but a number of treaties in the
1990s - the Maastricht and Amsterdam treaties - have
gradually increased our powers, so that we have
codecision - equal rights to legislate - in a large
number of areas, including the environment, food safety,
public health,
transport, consumer protection and 40 or so other
areas. Many of these issues are not health-legislation per se (governments jealously guard their national health services), but they impact greatly on health.
Because this legislation passes from us to be
rubber-stamped through by national parliaments before
entering national legislation, and media tend to
report the laws as coming from national parliaments,
the European origins of much legislation affecting
British people today tends to be obscured.


Are you pro-European or Eurosceptic?

Oh, I am passionately pro-European.


What do you think of recent European Court of justice
judgments that allow patients to be reimbursed by
national health systems for care taken
abroad. Would you approve of this theoretical
expansion of choice to enjoy care anywhere in Europe?
The idea that you could go to your GP, look at a
choose-and-book menu, and having, in addition to the
offer of that hospital in Sunderland, another, say, in
the South of France, or Bavaria.


It is not a free-for-all at the moment! That choice is
subject to to the condition that there are “too long”
waiting lists in the home country! Although what the
reference point as to what constitutes an unreasonably
long waiting list is a bit unclear at the moment. Be
also aware that the patient would have to pay upfront
to the care provider abroad before applying for
reimbursement by the NHS.
I think too much freedom will completely upset health
systems’ ability to plan care. How would the Belgian
health system for instance cope if suddenly a large
number of patients come from the UK. It would be very
destabilising. There is also the complications for
the patient of travelling, language differences, and
follow up care,
I do think this is more relevant to small countries
which cannot provide the whole spectrum of care
themselves, say Slovenia or Luxembourg, and of course
border areas, where it makes sense for hospitals on
either side of the border to share responsibilities.
Neither of these conditions apply to the UK. Despite
the judgments the overwhelming majority of people in
big countries will continue to have care at
home. The number of British people using these
judgements to enjoy care abroad is very low.
I think the right to care should be enshrined in
legislation though, not ECJ judgments.

MEPs are powerful, but there doesn’t seem to be a
career progression. You can’t be tempted into loyalty
to office, on the other hand, does that make you
independent of the national Labour party?

We are whipped by the Labour party, and have quite
good relations with the party back in the UK. Not as
split as the Tories.

What opportunities are there for medical graduates in Brussels?


There are about two dozen MEPs with medical background, including a few from Britain. Health is becoming more and more important in Brussels. There are so many NGOs where a health background is useful – European Men’s Health Forum, European Public Health Alliance, European respiratory society, just to give you a flavour. The big pharmaceutical companies have operations in Brussels.


What else is coming up in terms of European medical
legislation?


There is the medical devices and alternative therapies
directive - just as authorisation for medicines is
being centralised across Europe at the European
Medicines Agency, which is based in London, so will
the regulation of medical devices and alternative
therapies be harmonised. There
is a new public health programme, and there is
nutrition and health claims directive; it will be
illegal to make extravagant and general claims about
foodstuffs such as “it is good for you” “or low fat”
without specific substantiation. Surprisingly the
industry has lobbied strongly for legislation on
this, as they prefer a single regulatory regime for
the whole of Europe, even if it sometimes more
restrictive. It will also ban basically unhealthy
foodstuffs from selling themselves in
positive claim: for instance, there are high calcium
so-called healthfood chocolate sold in Belgium.
Cereals that are high in salt won’t be able to claim
they are healthy for instance by saying they are high
in fibre also. Hopefully all this will contribute to
fighting Europe’s growing obesity problem.

Health is a subject close to people’s hearts. Do you
get a bigger mailbag than your colleagues?


Not really. But I do get a lot of letters, especially
complaints about the new European healthcard. It has
not been made clear enough in the literature
accompanying the card that the free acute healthcare
applies only to public hospitals in Europe, not the
private clinics that dot many holiday resorts.
Private care can be very expensive. Also, the card
obviously does not cover transport home - one person
wrote in because her husband was killed and had to pay
thousands of pounds to bring the body home. There is a
danger that the card fosters false sense of security;
it is definitely NOT a substitute for travel
insurance. In fact, one of the proposals that might be
under discussion in the EU soon is compulsory travel
insurance for all travellers in Europe.

Do you enjoy living in Brussels? It is possible to
have quite a good life here, especially if you are on
a tax free commission salary!

I don’t really like to say I am “living” here, nor
that I “live it up”. I come here from Monday to
Thursday and stay in my office from 830 am to 830 pm.
But my home is Sheffield. To be honest I don’t really
like Brussels. Everyone is so status conscious: at
parties everyone sizes you up. ‘So what do you do? Ah,
you are an A-grade.'


Where do you stand on Indian doctors?


Well, the demand for work permits was a British
government decision. Nothing to do with the EU! The right of EU doctors to come to the UK to work is a basic EU right, though.
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